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LoveAF 05-06-2022 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Nlambert (Post 6172018)
Without wanting to derail the thread, why do you assume that a diesel truck is expensive to maintain? It's really not much more (if any) expensive to maintain than a gas burner counterpart. I've done the math quite a few times and they come out to be a wash. Repairs can be more expensive, but the amount of miles that can be had out of a properly maintained diesel far outweighs a gas burner, so if you intend to keep one for a really long time, even that can wash. It boils down more to preference of what one person wants.

At 200k miles in comparing the service intervals of a Ram 3500 6.4L Hemi and a 2016 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins, the total maintenance cost works out to be within about $300 of each other, with the extra $300 in maintenance going to the HEMI.

For fuel, the cost also sways towards the diesel engine (including the cost of DEF) when diesel remains below $5/gal. Right now, diesel is $5.39/gal here, so gas is a cheaper option long term by about $5k. As soon as it drops below $5/ diesel is back in the lead. Again, this is estimated over a 200k mile interval.

Whatever works for you. I've found it's more personal preference as opposed to dollars & cents. Diesels are cool, I get that. Initial cost of a diesel is in the neighborhood of $15,000.00 more than the gas trucks. 15 large is a lot of money to us. Diesel resale is higher but not that much higher. I know, I've had several. I'm a grain farmer and I've never run a pickup truck over 100,000 miles but what it didn't need several thousand dollars in repairs and that holds true for gas or diesel. I had an F-350 diesel with a service body on it that cost me $22,000.00 in less than 1 year. That kind of repair bill gets your attention and keeps your attention! It had 132,000 miles on it at the time and it was impeccably maintained. I do not skimp on maintenance. I've yet to have a gasoline powered truck cost me more than $7800.00 to keep in service and 150,000 miles is my trade trigger mileage. Diesels are a PITA when it gets below zero. I need them to start and be dependable in all weather and I have to plug in the engine heater overnight and I have to be cognizant of fuel gel treatment, especially in the days of biodiesel. I've had nagging problems with glow plugs, as well. None of that is a concern with the gasoline powered trucks I've owned.

I've been broke down on the road pulling our 5th wheel with a 1 ton SRW Ram equipped with a Cummins. Took almost a week to get it back on line. The only upside of that deal is it was still in warranty. I've been in several pissing contests with diesel diehards and like anything else they have their advantages and so do the gasoline engines. 200,000 miles is not a mileage goal we aspire to so ultimate longevity is not a concern.

All I know is what I know and what I know is after being in business for 30+ years I've found that the gasoline engines in our pickups have been a much more satisfying combination. But as I said, diesels are cool and sexy!

CamperLifer 05-07-2022 11:07 PM

8-12 MPG towing heavy in pretty much anything. Why worry ?

Bobertgoes 05-09-2022 08:05 AM

I know it must be great for those who say $1,000 or $2,000 or $5,000 in gas is all the same to them, but even $50 difference is gas price for a trip makes a difference to some people. At 8 mpg a jump to 9mpg is a huge difference on the wallet, over a 10% difference, and it does matter.

If you spend $X on a rig then calculate how much it will cost to drive across the country the difference in a behemoth and a more modest trailer could be hundreds of dollars in gas difference. The breaking point will be different for everyone. Some may say, $700 in gas is it for my trip, $1,500 is way too much, but some on you commenting are trying to tell that person that $700 or $1,500 is not the concern and to not worry about it. lol. just stop posting maybe. Wow. If the guy says it matters to him then it matters, why your telling him that him spending thousands more on fuel is not a budget concern? wow, just wow. outtatouchwithreality

laj 05-09-2022 08:40 AM

Curious about fuel mileage for tow vehicles
 
Perhaps they shouldnít be shopping in a Ferrari store, complaining about the price, when all they can really afford is a geo.

When you buy the Ferrari you know, or should know a tune-up, and oil change is going to be north of 5k, its part of the cost.

When your driving something that doesnít get 20 mpg., its part of it. Lots of people try to live way over what theycan afford, then bitch about it.

mto502 05-09-2022 08:45 AM

I guess with todays gas/diesel prices it doesn't matter what you drive. Whether it's a Prius, Geo, Hummer or semi tractor, your cost to fuel up is about twice as much as it used to be.

In the states I recall seeing prices at around $1.68 for gas and diesel, so it's gone up more than twice as much in the states. In Canada we used to pay close to 1 buck a liter, or even less. As of a couple of days ago we are now up to $1.99 a liter for gas and $2.45 a liter for diesel, so it has basically doubled here. I have a 48 gallon tank (182 liters), so from bone dry I'm now looking at $364 to fill up with gas. Diesel would be about $445. Kinda crazy.

radar 05-09-2022 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mto502 (Post 6175215)
I guess with todays gas/diesel prices it doesn't matter what you drive. Whether it's a Prius, Geo, Hummer or semi tractor, your cost to fuel up is about twice as much as it used to be.

In the states I recall seeing prices at around $1.68 for gas and diesel, so it's gone up more than twice as much in the states. In Canada we used to pay close to 1 buck a liter, or even less. As of a couple of days ago we are now up to $1.99 a liter for gas and $2.45 a liter for diesel, so it has basically doubled here. I have a 48 gallon tank (182 liters), so from bone dry I'm now looking at $364 to fill up with gas. Diesel would be about $445. Kinda crazy.

This is evolving as well. We are in BC and live close to a Supercharger. Last year it was rare to see a car / trailer combo at the supercharger. This year even though itís May itís getting more common to see a combo charging up and heading out. We are in a tourist spot so I guess that is to be expected. I try to look at the plates and from what I can see most are from BC. Still, I think this will get even more common as more EV SUVís and half tons hit the road everyday. And itís definitely a fraction of the cost, even if one has to charge at a fast charger or supercharger.

Side note. Fast charge operators need to make more trailer friendly charge facilities so we donít have to take up 3 stalls to charge.

Suffice to say, the gasoline companies are going to lose some clients as some RVers switch to electric...or at least those pulling smaller trailers.

mto502 05-09-2022 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by radar (Post 6175245)
This is evolving as well. We are in BC and live close to a Supercharger. Last year it was rare to see a car / trailer combo at the supercharger. This year even though it’s May it’s getting more common to see a combo charging up and heading out. We are in a tourist spot so I guess that is to be expected. I try to look at the plates and from what I can see most are from BC. Still, I think this will get even more common as more EV SUV’s and half tons hit the road everyday. And it’s definitely a fraction of the cost, even if one has to charge at a fast charger or supercharger.

Side note. Fast charge operators need to make more trailer friendly charge facilities so we don’t have to take up 3 stalls to charge.

Suffice to say, the gasoline companies are going to lose some clients as some RVers switch to electric...or at least those pulling smaller trailers.

You know the price for electricity will be skyrocketing next. Wait for it!

It has already climbed substantially in price. Everything is going up!

Dodge Guy 05-09-2022 09:14 AM

Got to laugh at some of these claims!
I wonder how many have done the real math?

Even my 13 Explorer with its NA V-6 only gets 8 towing a boat!

radar 05-09-2022 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mto502 (Post 6175253)
You know the price for electricity will be skyrocketing next. Wait for it!

It already has climbed substantially in price. Everything is going up!

Maybe. Who knows. Everybody told us that 7 years ago when we switched to electric. Back then it was 4 times cheaper to drive electric than gas. Now itís 6 times. Guess weíll see. BC hydro just applied to the utility commision to lower itís rates. Who knows where this is going.

Cheers.

mto502 05-09-2022 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodge Guy (Post 6175257)
Got to laugh at some of these claims!
I wonder how many have done the real math?

Even my 13 Explorer with its NA V-6 only gets 8 towing a boat!

Yes, and why I think 7-8 mpg for the 7.3 Godzilla gaser hauling well over 10k lbs isn't bad, considering, although the V6 Explorer was always a gas pig regardless. Those are realistic numbers too. Some of these diesel claims just aren't happening in the real world, but you'll always see them in the diesel vs gas debates.

mto502 05-09-2022 12:35 PM

A little off topic, but to add to my last post, when the trailer we ordered is ready to pick up, we will be traveling through the states, and will save hundreds on gas. I'm in Ontario and the dealer is in Alberta, so this will be a solid 3 days of driving. A good chunk of that will be cutting through the states. Well worth it, plus I've never been through Wisconsin, North Dakota, Chicago or the prairies in both the US and Canada. It's getting close! The fuel prices are going to hurt regardless but even with the exchange rate the US will save me quite a few bucks.

LoveAF 05-10-2022 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodge Guy (Post 6175257)
Got to laugh at some of these claims!
I wonder how many have done the real math?

Even my 13 Explorer with its NA V-6 only gets 8 towing a boat!

I've figured the fuel mileage our Toyota Tacoma V-6 4X4 pulling our 5,400 lb. boat several times in differing conditions and we get around 16 MPG give or take a mile or two. I can demonstrate that as being fact and will gladly prove it if anyone wants to observe.

Ours is not a claim, it's fact.

mto502 05-10-2022 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LoveAF (Post 6176225)
I've figured the fuel mileage our Toyota Tacoma V-6 4X4 pulling our 5,400 lb. boat several times in differing conditions and we get around 16 MPG give or take a mile or two. I can demonstrate that as being fact and will gladly prove it if anyone wants to observe.

Ours is not a claim, it's fact.

I can believe that. Those little Tacoma's have historically gotten great mileage. The Explorers, not so much. If I recall the Explorer used to come with an optional V8, and the V8 got better mileage than the V6. Hauling a boat is much different than hauling an enclosed trailer/windsail however.

Marine359 05-10-2022 06:59 AM

Just a note about fuel economy:
On our recent coast-to-coast, we drove our rig 6,013 miles. We actually averaged 10.5 mpg, but RVParky only has 1 mpg increments in the economy settings.

Using RVParky to calculate fuel cost with an average price for the trip of $4.29;
Average fuel economy of 10 mpg , trip fuel cost $2,579
If average fuel economy had dropped just 1 mpg from 10 to 9 mpg, trip fuel cost would have been $300 more. At 8 mpg, $600 more.

So, although higher fuel cost didn’t change our trip plan, we’re glad we have a small rig with good fuel economy because $600 is about the sum total of what we paid for all of the food and dining out we consumed on the trip. It’s not an insurmountable amount of money, but it’s significant enough to set my cruise control at 65mph and never go faster.


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