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Vette Racer 06-21-2006 05:24 PM

Please post your REAL weights as measured by a scale and post your configuration, tanks empty or full, and options, as well as the make of your trailer. Please include your axle weight as well as your pin weight. Thanks to all for your input.

Vette Racer 06-21-2006 07:12 PM

I'll start this off with mine.

I have a 2003 SLC 3705 and I weighed mine both empty (or so) and loaded. With it empty but carrying full propane, empty tanks, a few things underneath, two 12 volt batteries, and I have the fiberglass siding, it weighed 8500 on the axles with a pin of 3400 lbs. With tanks 1/2 full of water and loaded for the road with 97 TJ Jeep inside, axle weight is 12,500 with a pin weight of 3250.

Thats about as close as we can get. What do you have for yours? I know this isn't perfect but we can give everyone a close idea of what to expect for their toyhauler, or perspective toyhauler.

lincster 06-21-2006 08:05 PM

I like this one.

My truck, full fuel, 5er hitch in the bed, 50lbs of tools and no passengers weighs 8360lbs.

I own a 2006 LE3905, basically, I ordered a LE3505 and added 4' onto it.
I weighed my trailer on the way home from picking it up. I had 20 gallons of gas in the station, all tanks were totally empty, full propane and 1 12V battery.
I have Gel Coat, genny, recliners etc. All of the basic upgrades that most do.
So, onto the weights.
My pin weight is 2720lbs and my axle weight was 8880lbs, so 11,600lbs totally empty.
Fully loaded for 6 days at the dunes for Tday, 2000lb buggy, 800lb golf cart, 1 kids quad, 150 gallons of water, 60 gallons of gas, 2 6V batteries, full propane....
CAT scale said 25960 total going down the road.
Pin weight was 3400lbs.
Axle weight was 12,590lbs. Total trailer was 15,990lbs.

high desert 06-21-2006 09:07 PM

Great thread Tom,

I have a 2006 Weekend Warrior FSC 2800. I ordered this coach with every option except the cargo slide. This includes gel coat siding, gen, duel electric beds, two tvs w/inverter, vinyl flooring, ramp room etc. Most here know that this TH came in heavy and the CCC was very low. I upgraded to 16' E rated tires and WW upped the GVWR to 13,000 lb.

I first weighed the TH before the 16" tire upgrade. The fuel station and water tanks were empty,the propane tanks full. I had no toys or camping gear loaded. The tongue weight was 1,300 lb. and the trailer axle weight was 7,800 lb. for a total weight of 9,100 lb.

The second trip to the scale was after the 16" tire upgrade. The fuel station and propane were full and 75 gallons of water was loaded. I also had the quads listed in my sig and all my camping gear for a family of four. The tongue weighed 1,340 lb. and the trailer axle weight was 11,020 lb. for a total weight of 12,360 lb.

Wes

WWFan 06-26-2006 05:08 PM

OK...just weighed again yesterday...here's the tickets...

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Now...I'm not quite sure that I've got my pin weight correctly...I'm thinkin' 3600# (Help! Linc!)...because this time I first weighed the whole unit (TV & TH), then pulled the truck off the scale to weigh just the trailer. Fortunately, it was a Sunday, and the gal let me do it this way- last time they wanted me to pull the trailer off to the parking lot to drop it then come back to weight the truck.

Good news is the truck still weighs 8400# with full fuel and me, nor anyone else, NOT in it. https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...on_biggrin.gif Even though it's still a "porker", it seems as though it is maintaining it's weight. Note that by the GCWR, I've still got a bunch of room for added weight.

Our SLC has gelcoat sides, rear Double Electric Queen beds, vinyl flooring, both front and inside wall diamondplate wall protectors, 4 each 6 volt Trojans, a 3000W Xantrex Inverter, a 2000w stereo system (outside system- approx 120#, but I didn't have the speakers with me), two TV's plus the TV's sound system inside, an on-board Hitachi air compressor (prolly about 70# with all the plumbing), and a Kingdome Satellite Dish (the 9630). Since I weighed last year before adding the compressor, we've added 240# to the coach (but I don't know what was in it the first time). Oh...I also had the new icemaker in it also (approx 51#).

Just doesn't seem like all of that would add up to 2637# (CC on the sticker said the TH weighed 12063#- yeah right). Must be the heavy clothes we've got stored in it. https://irv2.infopop.cc/images/scared.gif

To be truthful, I've contemplated trying to get my Non-Comm Class A and getting WW to sticker the darn thing for at least 16k (they'll do in a heartbeat, but I really need an 18k sticker to do any good), but what a hassle. So we've resigned ourselves to the fact that, even though you can put a Jeep on the ROOF, you can't put on IN the rig and haul it- which was the WHOLE reason we bought it in the first place. And to be truthful some more- I wouldn't do it any different than what we have now.

Soooooo...there ya go...Tom: Be glad you have one of the lighter SLC's around. https://irv2.infopop.cc/images/rolleyea.gif

Sean

lincster 06-27-2006 11:18 AM

Sean, I don't see a weight slip for just the truck by itself.
So I used my empty truck weight.
For my truck, with full fuel, 5th wheel hitch in the bed and about 50lbs of tools, I had a drive axle weight of 3640lbs.
7960-3640=4320lbs of pin weight. That makes more sense for your big rig.
Your 8800 is exactly the same empty axle weight that I get.
So to me, your weight for the trailer as you had it loaded that day, was 14,660lbs.
You need that 16k sitcker. https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif

MCR500 06-27-2006 12:43 PM

I don't post often here (lurk mostly!!), but since we're talkin about "big" weights, here's mine.
You can see my tow vehicle in sig: weighs 8540# on CAT scale, full fuel, hitch and me in it, nothing else.

The SLC is as follows: fiberglass sides, bay windows w/rockers, single ultrabed, 2-12V batts., 5500W Onan, about 100# of "stuff" in the front holding compartment.

"Empty" trailer weights(no water, empty holding tanks, full propane,full fuel station(36 gal.), no toys):
PW= 3380#
Trailer ax= 8260#
Trailer Weight= 11640#
Truck GVW= 11920#
Total GCVW= 20180#

"Loaded" trailer weights( full water-120gal, empty grey and black,full propane,full fuel station,all bikes in sig. except for KTM, clothes, food, adult beverage for 8 days at Pismo)

PW= 4580#
Trailer ax= 11580#
Trailer Weight= 16160#
Truck GVW= 13120#
Total GCVW= 24700#

I think I calculated all this right!!

All of these weights were on a CAT scale. On truck GVW and GCVW I'm over by 120#/1200# respectively. I now pull without water, and fill up close to my location, in order to keep in line with my weights. This is with a DUALLY!!
The trailers' GVW is 15000#, so I'm over by quite a bit there. The axles are no where near their load capacities, and I run Michelin XPS Rib tires, so I'm good there, too. I don't worry too much about the trailer weight; I've done everything I can to beef up the running gear, and it tows/stops very well.
I did take my non-commercial class A license test in order to get my Restriction 41, "may tow FW with GVW of 10001# to 15000#", FWIW. My FW placard shows GVW at 15000#, so if the CHP stops me, I should be good-to-go(unless he WEIGHS me!!) Hope this info helps someone to tow safe!! C-Ya!!

MCR500 06-27-2006 02:15 PM

Hey Linc, (or anybody else that knows this stuff!),

If you look at my posted weights, I don't think I calculated my loaded PW correctly.
The empty PW is correct; I weighed it with just me in the truck.
The LOADED PW was done with my DW, three kids, firewood, shovel, leveling blocks and other misc. stuff. You calc. PW by subtracting front and rear empty TV axle weights from loaded TV axle weights with FW attached. Right? So my 4580# PW loaded is on the heavy side by whatever my DW, kids and stuff weighs. My WAG is about 550# heavy on the loaded PW.
I guess I should have weighed loaded just like I did unloaded.
Not gonna happen.
Did I miss something?? C-Ya!!

lincster 06-27-2006 03:25 PM

To calculate an accurate pin weight, your truck has to be the same way with both the trailer hooked up and not hooked up.
Like you had your family in when you weighed with the trailer hooked up and it was only you another time? That is not going to give you an accurate pin weight.

To calculate pin weight you take the Drive axle weight when the trailer is hooked up and subtract the drive axle weight when the trailer is not hooked up.
I don't think you did it right.

WWFan 06-27-2006 04:43 PM

Linc:

No...I didn't weight the truck by itself, but the 8400# difference between the TV/TH and TH Only is consistent with my last weigh. Looks like I need to weight the TRUCK separately instead of the trailer, but don't the different pads on the scales take that into consideration and weigh the steer and drive axles separately??

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm definitely ready to name you the official iRV2 WeightMaster...you're the King when it comes to figuring this stuff out! https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...on_biggrin.gif Thanks a whole bunch...I'll try to give you a call Friday!

Hey MCR500!! Glad to see ya around these parts! I think I've PM'd you in the past about this, but my mom moved back to Clovis, and if you PM me with your location, I'd like to see about hooking up for a few! In fact, we'll be up there weekend after next for her B-Day. Thanks for sharing your weights...'ol Lincster'll have us crying in our beer here very shortly! https://irv2.infopop.cc/images/Wow1.gif https://irv2.infopop.cc/images/thumb.gif

lincster 06-27-2006 06:26 PM

Hey Sean,
Yes, the scale weighs the steer and drive axle separately, but you have to have the truck weighed all by itself before you hook up to make sure you get an accurate weight.
This is how I understand it at least and see how others have done it.
I'll be looking for your call.
Linc

WWFan 06-27-2006 07:23 PM

Linc:

OK...that makes sense...now I'm wondering if simply detaching the truck & trailer (while both are on the scales- detaching the trailer enough to only weigh the truck on the front two pads) will do the job- instead of having to pull the trailer off and re-weigh the truck.

I'm trying to find an easy way to get people to weigh their rigs...what I had to go through the first time took a good 1/2 hour to do amidst all the trucks waiting in line to weight also. Although, I have to say, Sunday wasn't a problem- even at the busy Ontario CAT Scales.

I'll try to give you a call on Friday...we've changed our weekend plans and now the group is coming here to the house to party...DW isn't quite happy about it- got house cleaning to do! https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...on_biggrin.gif (But it's a good excuse to get things cleaned up around here! https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...on_biggrin.gif).

See ya!

Sean

lincster 06-27-2006 07:36 PM

Sean, as long as just the drive axle and steer axle are on pads by themselves, then yes, just jacking the trailer up would work just fine.
Linc

asgskt 06-27-2006 08:14 PM

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Dealer let me weigh two trailers.

2006 LE3105:
Aluminum sides
Gen
Both fuel tanks
Bay windows with booth dinette
Stab jack
Spare tire
Rock guard
Empty propane
Empty tanks

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Total wt-- 9,820 lbs
Pin wt---- 2,480 lbs

Sticker wt- 8,285 lbs

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2007 LE3305:
Fiberglass sides
Gen
Both fuel tanks
Bay windows with rockers
Stab jack
Spare tire
Rock guard
Full propane
Empty tanks
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Total wt-- 10,940 lbs
Pin wt---- 2,540 lbs

Sticker wt- 10,200 lbs

MCR500 06-28-2006 06:22 AM

Linc, yeah, I thought that weight loaded was incorrect. I seriously doubt I'll ever get the chance to weigh loaded, correctly. It does make me feel better that my PW wasn't really 4580#!! though.

Sean, Anytime your up in this neck of the woods, e-mail me and we'll roll a few back. My house is right off Herndon/Alluvial area in Clovis(if you know where that is!) If you are going to be up here the w/e of 7/8, I'll be gone. Going to Pismo for 4 days. Gotta get outa this heat!! Its'supposed to cool to 104 today, brrrrr!!! C-Ya!! Mike

WWFan 06-28-2006 06:31 AM

Mike:

Oh boy...how ironic...Pismo is where my mom moved back FROM!!

Yeah...I know exactly where you're at...I'll give ya a holler some other time...you have a great time @ Pismo!

Sean

KNUCKLEHEAD 06-30-2006 11:13 AM

Question.....So i just added air bags, and at 70 pds, they level the trailer right out. Is this taking part of the pin weight, and shifting it towards the back of the trailer ?

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Have a great 4th everyone !!

Vette Racer 06-30-2006 02:26 PM

I'm not an engineer but I tend to say no. All you are doing is helping your springs keep the truck level. there might be a small shifting of weight because of a nose low vs a nose level situation but I really don't think it will amount to much as far as the pin weight. JMO.

KNUCKLEHEAD 06-30-2006 03:48 PM

Tom, Thanks for the input..i have been scratching my head on this issue. I was kinda thinking, the weight was going forward a little on to the front tires of the truck.....and back on the the rear of the toy hauler (triple axle). Have a good 4th of july all

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TXiceman 06-30-2006 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KNUCKLEHEAD:
Question.....So i just added air bags, and at 70 pds, they level the trailer right out. Is this taking part of the pin weight, and shifting it towards the back of the trailer ?

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Have a great 4th everyone !!
No change in pinweight. It is still on the pin and on the axle and tires. The lift is straight upp and you won't see any measurable change in weights.

By lifting the pin you can have a very slight shift in the center of gravity and pivot point for the weight at the axles. You could remove a slight load from the front axle and load the rear axle more thus actually increasing the pinweight on the truck.

You can easily demonstrate this with a paper cut out of the trailer profile.

Ken

lincster 06-30-2006 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KNUCKLEHEAD:
Question.....So i just added air bags, and at 70 pds, they level the trailer right out. Is this taking part of the pin weight, and shifting it towards the back of the trailer ?

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Have a great 4th everyone !!
No, you aren't taking enough pin weight off to make much difference.
Air bags just don't let the truck squat. The pin weight is still there.

KNUCKLEHEAD 07-01-2006 05:42 AM

Thanks for all the help!

melon 07-02-2006 08:11 PM

Also keep in mind that bags will settle down any bounce up might get on a bumpy road, which will prevent you from bottoming out.

Rod

WWFan 07-05-2006 07:25 PM

KH:

Just think of air bags as "Load-Levelers" (which was their original technical title) with an added benefit of some shock absorbsion as Rod said. And NEVER run them all the way down- you'll ruin them in a heartbeat. They DO NOT add any capacity to the weight capabilities of the truck- no matter how much air you put in them.

So Rod....where the heck are your weights there, buddy? https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo.../icon_wink.gif https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo.../icon_cool.gif https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...on_biggrin.gif

Sean

melon 07-15-2006 07:00 PM

If ur talking about the weight of my rig Sean, I have some sad news. I don't know that I will ever get it weighed. I worry about so many other things when it comes to this, that weight will just add to the list. Sorry.

Hey Sean, BTW, did I tell you I replaced my tranny a couple weeks ago. Yup, she finally went south on me. Luckily is was on the end of a trip and not pulling out of the driveway. See, I have too many thing to worry about.

Rod

WWFan 07-17-2006 07:18 PM

OK Rod:

Just remember, "Ignorance Isn't Bliss" when it comes to being overweight! https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...on_biggrin.gif
Weigh it the next chance you get- you'll be glad you did.

Dang....how many miles did you have on your tranny? Was it an E04D? That sure isn't a cheap proposition- what did you replace it with?

Sean

melon 07-20-2006 06:55 AM

I know, I know. I'll get around to weighting in someday."You don't weigh in, you don't wrestle."

My tranny went at just under 70k miles. It seems to me like it should have lasted longer but in talking to other people who tow I guess it's a total crap shoot. You could go 50k or 250k miles before it goes. I will say the tranny guy says if you tow any trailer you should change your tranny fluid every 15k miles. That seemed a little extreme, but it's still cheaper that a new tranny.
I was debating on going with an off-the-shelf up-grade like Hill Killer or Monster, then I thought about a rebuild form C.E.D. (some tranny shop in Colorado that the editor for DirtSport Mag. uses on all his truck.) They all wanted like $4000 just for the tranny, then another $500 for R&R. Not only a little pricy, but what if I had a problem, too many things to try and work out as far as warranty issuses.
I had a local guy in OC basicly take it out, replace every thing that was burned or worn out, replace all electrics, then up grade everything to heavy duty standards. When he was done it was the equivalent of the F-550 tranny, or one that you find in a deisel pusher. He has been doing that same thing for the E4OD ever since it has come out and has had great success. He also had a better warranty and is local, so if anything does ever go wrong, he's right here. I already had to go back twice to fix minor thing. They pinched the seal between the tranny and the transfer case, then the cross member was too close to the tranny, so it had a slight vibration every so offten, than the 4X4 light came on with out it being in 4X4. I know that seems like a lot of issuses with something like this, I was just glad he was right here in OC so I didn't have to travel far to correct them. OTD price was just under $3k. Still a lot, but not the most and not the cheapest.

Rod

sjseng 09-07-2006 08:25 PM

So I went across the CHP scales this last weekend. Yes truckers were looking at me like I was an idiot, and yes I do have a friend that works there and he hooked me up. Here is my set up:

2004 F250 with 50 gal fuel tank (full) and air bags, otherwise, stock. Myself, wife, 3 yr old and newborn.

'05 W.W. LE3305. 35 gals of fuel, 130 gal fresh water. No toys(ATV's = approx. 1,000lbs) but otherwise fully loaded.

Steering = 4860 lb
Drive = 6740 lb
Tandem = 9840 lb

Total = 21440 lb

Yes I am over weight. Having ATVs in the back will help with tonge weight and I will have to make most of my trips with less water and fill on or near location. I need a new truck but can't afford one for a few yrs. It is hard to buy a truck and be able to afford a trailer a couple yrs later and still have the right T.V. F350 would still be under rated. Looks like I will need to get a F450 in a few yrs.

lincster 09-08-2006 08:25 AM

Tyler,
The F350 with the Tow Boss package will not be under rated.

Waiting a couple of years is good..... Rumor about a "new" F350 is going around. Can you say F450 Axles and wheels/tires?????

sjseng 09-08-2006 12:49 PM

That would be nice! And from what I hear, if you change the springs and blocks out on a 250 to a 350's you can jump through some hoops to get a new rating sticker. I haven't looked into it myself. My dad has had an International truck declasified so that he and his company could drive it with a class 'C' liscense. Why not reverse.

Most people seam scepticle about the new Duramax and Powerstroke engines coming out for the new ULS fuel, causing them to buy, buy, buy right now. I could understand, but if some of the torque and HP numbers coming out are true, I will be happy to wait!

brianzzz 09-11-2006 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sjseng:
That would be nice! And from what I hear, if you change the springs and blocks out on a 250 to a 350's you can jump through some hoops to get a new rating sticker. I haven't looked into it myself. My dad has had an International truck declasified so that he and his company could drive it with a class 'C' liscense. Why not reverse.
Haven't heard of getting a new sticker for the f-250 or f-350. The ratings you have posted are actually fine for an 05 or 06 F350. the only difference between your truck and the 05/06 F-350 would be the brakes and rear springs. I would change out the rotors and brakes to 05/06, install air bags and then check the load ratings on your tires. You're good to go after that!

Your drive axle weight seems pretty high. I wouldn't expect the pin weight of that trailer to be around 3400 pounds even with full water (I have the an 06 f-350 and with full gas and hitch the rear was around 3300 so add 3400 for pin to get the weight you got). Just another reason to get something nice and heavy for the back!

Brian

lincster 09-12-2006 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brianzzz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sjseng:
That would be nice! And from what I hear, if you change the springs and blocks out on a 250 to a 350's you can jump through some hoops to get a new rating sticker. I haven't looked into it myself. My dad has had an International truck declasified so that he and his company could drive it with a class 'C' liscense. Why not reverse.
Haven't heard of getting a new sticker for the f-250 or f-350. The ratings you have posted are actually fine for an 05 or 06 F350. the only difference between your truck and the 05/06 F-350 would be the brakes and rear springs. I would change out the rotors and brakes to 05/06, install air bags and then check the load ratings on your tires. You're good to go after that!

Your drive axle weight seems pretty high. I wouldn't expect the pin weight of that trailer to be around 3400 pounds even with full water (I have the an 06 f-350 and with full gas and hitch the rear was around 3300 so add 3400 for pin to get the weight you got). Just another reason to get something nice and heavy for the back!

Brian </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who needs a new sticker. huh Brian? https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo.../icon_wink.gif

If you change out brakes and get 05/06 brakes, you better get new wheels. 16" wheels won't fit on 05/06 brakes due to the increased rotor size.

That is not a high pin weight for nothing in the back of the trailer.
My pin weight is 3400lbs with full water and my 2000lb buggy in the trailer. 130 gallons of water is heavy and the water tanks are 75% in front of the axles.

brianzzz 09-12-2006 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by lincster:
Who needs a new sticker. huh Brian? https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo.../icon_wink.gif

It's just there for looks anyway apparently https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif

So why the heck does my truck weigh as much as yours? Rims, tires and lift kit?

lincster 09-13-2006 04:55 AM

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Originally posted by brianzzz:
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Who needs a new sticker. huh Brian? https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo.../icon_wink.gif

It's just there for looks anyway apparently https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif

So why the heck does my truck weigh as much as yours? Rims, tires and lift kit? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, all that will add weight.
How did you weigh your truck? With passengers? Stuff in the bed?

brianzzz 09-13-2006 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lincster:
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lincster:
Who needs a new sticker. huh Brian? https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo.../icon_wink.gif

It's just there for looks anyway apparently https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif

So why the heck does my truck weigh as much as yours? Rims, tires and lift kit? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, all that will add weight.
How did you weigh your truck? With passengers? Stuff in the bed? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I weighed it with a full tank of gas, the hitch and me in the truck. 8360 pounds.

WWFan 10-02-2006 06:18 PM

OK...new weights...just got it back from the Upland Service Center, so it was empty.

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F350KR had 34 gallon of fuel, no occupants, and trailer had 1/2 tank of fuel in the 20 gal tank, and all of the holding tanks were empty. Plus, all of the cargo that we had stored was not in it.

I will detail the Service Center work in another thread, but preface it with "what an outstanding job they did"! https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...on_biggrin.gif

Sean

Vette Racer 10-02-2006 07:03 PM

Well, that doesn't look too bad. I guess you arrived at the pin weight from another weighing since these are unhooked weights. This means you only have 10,320 on the trailer axles so you've still got a lot of room. You put 3600lbs in the cargo area and that will bring it to 13,920 and will take some off the pin too, probably a couple of hundred, 4k pin and 14 and change on the axles, without water. With those 16" tires that ought to work. https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif

juzplanekrazy 01-18-2007 05:33 PM

I dug thru this thread while I'm doing a little C.Y.A. home work on being over weight https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif. For the what it's worth file here is weights on a WW FS2300 and 06' 3500 Dodge 4x4 CTD.
Truck= Full Fuel, 5er hitch in box in bed, wife only in truck, but ready to roll, tools etc.
Trailer= Full Propane, loaded with normal camping gear, no water, no toy's.
1st ticket is truck only.
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This was all great info to learn, and it was done with the help of Lincster.
FS2300 7500lbs +/-
My truck Dodge stated rateings....
With 4.10 Axle Ratio Axle Ratio [I] You Can Tow 15550 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) = 9900 lbs
Payload = 2587 lbs
Curb Weight = 7313 lbs See weight ticket for real deal....
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 4327 lbs/4327 lbs
GAWR Front/Rear = 5200 lbs/6200 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) = 23000 lbs

Vette Racer 01-19-2007 08:41 PM

I'll tell you JPC, you are right in the numbers, I show your hitch wt as 1320 so you are just about perfect in all your weights.

Congrats!

lincster 01-22-2007 06:37 AM

He was perfect with his old trailer, but won't be with his new one..... Huh Joe??? https://irv2.infopop.cc/images/salook.gif
Just taking a shot.....messing with ya. https://irv2.infopop.cc/images/smash.gif

juzplanekrazy 01-22-2007 09:56 AM

Not me https://irv2.infopop.cc/images/wiggle2.gif

Vette Racer 01-22-2007 06:19 PM

What a guy Linc!

JRBurn 02-21-2007 04:20 AM

O.K. here is my truck and trailer weights:
Steer: 4480
Drive: 7620
Trailer: 10,780
Total: 22,880

Trailer only: 14,660 https://irv2.infopop.cc/images/sign0082.gif
Pin: 3880

Truck only: 8150
Steer: 4480
Drive: 3670

Truck had 50 gal. Fuel and myself only in vehicle
Trailer, all tanks empty, Gen fuel cell 10 gal., Toy fuel cell 30 gal., Trailer was empty except clothing, dry foods, etc...
The guy at the scale was cool, let me do all the configurations on the weights.

juzplanekrazy 02-28-2007 08:20 PM

06' Dodge 3500 CTD SRW w/ 18K slider hitch
Full Fuel
Both passangers & Gear
=7800lbs

07' KZ New Vision Sportster 38' SBx3 3 slides
Full water (110GAL)+ 2 full 7gal propane bottels
Full Gear & Food and all toys I run with.
=14,680

Total Weight on CAT ticket =22,480

WWFan 03-07-2007 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by juzplanekrazy:
06' Dodge 3500 CTD SRW w/ 18K slider hitch
Full Fuel
Both passangers & Gear
=7800lbs

07' KZ New Vision Sportster 38' SBx3 3 slides
Full water (110GAL)+ 2 full 7gal propane bottels
Full Gear & Food and all toys I run with.
=14,680

Total Weight on CAT ticket =22,480
Wow Joe...just wait until after you get ALL those mods done...she'll be a porker! https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...on_biggrin.gif

Rod McInnis 04-20-2007 09:29 AM

I have never been to a truck scale facility, but I want to....

Can someone outline the proceedure here so I won't look like an idiot when I pull up to the scale?

Rod

Vette Racer 04-21-2007 02:20 PM

Hi Rod, welcome to the forum. I'm not an expert on this by any means but I'll try and help.

First of all, I would try and find one not being used at the moment, then pull up to the scales, usually there is a sign telling how to contact the desk, usually a phone there too. Call the desk and tell them you are an individual and want to weigh your truck and trailer. Pull up on the scales and you will see 3 divided sections, pull forward until your front tires are on the last set, then your rear wheels should be on the second section and your trailer tires should be on the 3rd section. There should be a light at the end that turns red and green, when the green light comes on you pull off and go to the desk for the weigh ticket and pay them. A lot of times they will let you go back and weigh the truck for not much more. Anyway, now you have to unhook the trailer and take the truck back across the scales by itself, then go get that weight.

After all that and I have to say that scales vary, ways vary, so these might not = your scales procedure. Anyway, now you can set down and figure your weights, your pin weight is the rear wheels of the truck unloaded subtracted from the loaded rear wheel weight, this = pin weight. Your trailer axles are what they are and your steer tires are what they are loaded and unloaded. Your gross weight combined will be the total of the first weight hooked up. Your total truck weight is the total of the truck by itself.

Hope this makes some sense, like I said I'm no expert on explaining this. Linc is probably laughing his head off reading this and if I'm wrong somewhere please feel free to correct this.

It isn't nearly as hard as I made it sound. In fact its easy. The hard part is looking at your weights and thinking, it can't be that heavy! Good luck!

Bearman 04-22-2007 06:34 AM

We have weighed our rig, but I will have to get the trailer weighed side to side, I also need to weigh the truck and trailer seperatly. This was weighed with full water (100 gal in trailer), full fuel station (50 gal) my Harley and 700 Polaris quad in the garage of the trailer. The truck was 1/2 full of fuel (120 gal) 1 Polaris 300 and a Polaris 500 on the deck, and a 200 gal water tank full also on he deck.
Steering axle 9635 lbs
Drivers axle 12935 lbs
Trailer axle weight 18507 lbs
Jeep (toad) weight) 3892 lbs
Total weight 44,969 lbs

https://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL143.../246667508.jpg

high desert 04-23-2007 07:20 AM

Wow Bear.........You win the "heavy hauler" award. https://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...s/icon_eek.gif

Btw.....I love your set up. Very nice.

Wes

RobG 05-11-2007 01:00 PM

I just picked up the trailer yesterday and weighed it before putting it in storage, so here goes.

2006 Keystone Raptor 3814SS
- Maybe 2-3 gal water
- 5 gal fuel in filling station
- approx 500 lbs personal items from trade-in
- Otherwise completely stock/empty

Steer: 4480
Drive: 6320 (truck is around 3500 unloaded)
Trailer: 9520
Gross: 20320

Given those figures, Keystone is just about dead-on with their figures.

Once I get the trailer loaded up with kitchenware, clothes and so on (for a trip next weekend), I'll weigh it again and post.

Rob

T210DRVR 01-11-2008 07:45 PM

Truck with fifth wheel attached family of five and four quads with 40 gallons of water:

Truck Front Axle 4,900 LBS
Truck Rear Axle 6,300 LBS
Trailer Axles 11,800 LBS

Total 23,000

Truck empty weight with pax is Aprox 8,000 so pin weight is 3,200 lbs.

Location of water tanks is not optimum as aprox 40% of weight ends up on pin and 60% on trailer axles. Trailer is already pin heavy empty so locating the water tanks directly over the trailer axles would have been a better location.

Vette Racer 01-12-2008 05:27 PM

Thanks for the numbers T210DRVR, Your real close to my numbers for my WW except for the truck. Good luck to you.

Crazybanshee 02-04-2008 04:33 PM

These are the weights of our truck and trailer.
Truck with 240 gal diesel
Truck with 100 gal water
Camper with 110 gal water,4 quads,food,gear,beer
Front axle 9900 lbs
Rear axle 12960 lbs
Triple axle 14650 lbs
Truck weight 20000 lbs
Hitch weight 4300 lbs
Trailer weight 18950 lbs

TheNewFarmer 09-26-2012 07:45 PM

Ford F350 dually diesel crew cab long bed full of fuel and Voltage 3950 with full LP tanks, about 20 gallons gas, no fresh water and empty grey/black tanks. Gator and some toys in the back, pretty full with food and other support. Total weight was 27,450 lbs. The truck weights close to 8400lbs. Will try to get pin weight later..

Bill Davey 12-13-2012 04:45 PM

KZ Stoneridge Sportster weights
 
Toyhauler is 2013 KZ Stoneridge Sportster; No water or waste, propane full, pots pans clothes etc ready for the road. 2002 Harley Heritage softail in the garage, 2 bicycles, etc.
Trailer Axles = 13,260#
Pin Weight = 2570#
Trailer total = 15,830#
Truck is 2012 Dodge Ram 3500 CC DRW 4X4 CTD Big Horn - Max tow option. 3/4 Fuel (about 28 gallons), 2 Honda 2,000i generators, tools, and other miscellaneous stuff in tool box. Pullrite Super 5th hitch, driver in the cab.
Truck alone = 8670#
Front Axle = 4800# hitched
Rear Axle = 6640# hitched
Truck total hitched to trailer 11,440#

Combined total weight 24,500# vs truck GCVWR 28,300.

Hope this helps anybody who is told you can pull this with a 2500 (F250 etc).

Clomok 01-15-2017 01:09 AM

with my 2012 ram 3500 CCLB dually 4x4 , and my 06 rage'n 3605 BL i sit at:
Truck by it self: 5080 front axle 3680 rear axle

with the trailer(100 gal water, no toys) :15200 (23980 gross)
4940 front axle
7840 rear axle
11200 trailer axle group


old thread resurrection...

Tractor Guy 01-16-2017 12:42 PM

Ram 3500 drw & xlr 415 amp
 
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Here is my 2016 RAM 3500 DRW CCLB and 415AMP without toys and dry but ready to go camping.

Smalltruck 02-24-2017 08:44 PM

Just picked up my new toyhauler. 2014 Palomino columbus 3400th. Pin weight dry and bare was 2620 and overall weight was 11,920

Dukerdr 05-15-2017 09:53 PM

I just saw this thread, or I would have posted sooner.

I bought our used 29' Weekend Warrior 2 years ago, and the owner told me I could pull it with a 1/2 ton truck. I was dubious...

I came back with a friends truck to get it a week later. I only knew one guy with a 5th wheel hitch and it was in a '95 F250 with a diesel. By the time I was 5 miles from the guys house, I knew he was mistaken (or full of $hizzle). It was all that old truck could do to run 65mph on the interstate.

The sticker in the trailer said dry weight was 5800lbs. On the certified scale down the street from me at the metal recycling plant, my trailer scaled 8500 lbs. 8500!!! That sticker was very misleading.

That's with empty grey/black tanks, maybe 2 gallons fresh water...10 gal of gas in the generator tank and very few clothes. And no toys in back.

I'm no speed demon so my V10 F250 pulls it OK, but there are days (in the mountains) when I wish I had a Cummins or a Powerstroke.

iowasnowbird 06-15-2017 07:30 AM

We pulled our 40' Raptor 5th wheel with a 2006 Ford F250 diesel with no problems, even in Rocky mtns. But that being said we just traded for a 2017 F350 diesel. We went from the Supercab to a crewman. My husband felt with a 900 lb motorcycle and other toys that our f250 was right on the cusp of weight restrictions. Now we have no worries in that department.

24shofast 06-21-2017 03:20 PM

Finally made it to the CAT scale with the new set up and here are the results. I was pretty close on my estimates so it wasn't too surprising. Fully loaded with family and everything for a 4 day dry camp. 108gal water, 30 gal onboard fuel, ice chest etc.

2008 F350 SRW, V10, lifted, big tires
2017 Stryker 3212
2013 RZR 900XP, additional cage and rear seat added.

Steer Axle: 4,200lbs
Drive Axle: 6,160lbs
Trailer Axle: 12,080lbs
Gross Weight: 22,440lbs

https://www.irv2.com/attachments/phot...a3aa3c14bb.jpg

lonewolftx 10-23-2017 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iowasnowbird (Post 3649533)
We pulled our 40' Raptor 5th wheel with a 2006 Ford F250 diesel with no problems, even in Rocky mtns. But that being said we just traded for a 2017 F350 diesel. We went from the Supercab to a crewman. My husband felt with a 900 lb motorcycle and other toys that our f250 was right on the cusp of weight restrictions. Now we have no worries in that department.



I bet if you check your GVMR for the truck and then add the Raptor GVMR (note stickers on the truck & rig) you will find that your SRW truck is not rated for towing it safely by factory numbers. All tri-axel 5th wheels, i.e. large toy haulers, require a F350 Dually to meet the ďlegalĒ towing requirements. Please check your GVWR and see if this is correct.

U-me 01-19-2018 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lonewolftx (Post 3865552)
I bet if you check your GVMR for the truck and then add the Raptor GVMR (note stickers on the truck & rig) you will find that your SRW truck is not rated for towing it safely by factory numbers. All tri-axel 5th wheels, i.e. large toy haulers, require a F350 Dually to meet the ďlegalĒ towing requirements. Please check your GVWR and see if this is correct.



Right, what a waste since both HDís are the same. Cheverlot is anyway.

kskid 11-28-2018 01:28 PM

F350 HDs have a different set of rear springs than the F250s. Rest is pretty much the same except the DRW.O

Sddamm 12-29-2018 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Davey (Post 1398967)
Toyhauler is 2013 KZ Stoneridge Sportster; No water or waste, propane full, pots pans clothes etc ready for the road. 2002 Harley Heritage softail in the garage, 2 bicycles, etc.

Trailer Axles = 13,260#

Pin Weight = 2570#

Trailer total = 15,830#

Truck is 2012 Dodge Ram 3500 CC DRW 4X4 CTD Big Horn - Max tow option. 3/4 Fuel (about 28 gallons), 2 Honda 2,000i generators, tools, and other miscellaneous stuff in tool box. Pullrite Super 5th hitch, driver in the cab.

Truck alone = 8670#

Front Axle = 4800# hitched

Rear Axle = 6640# hitched

Truck total hitched to trailer 11,440#



Combined total weight 24,500# vs truck GCVWR 28,300.



Hope this helps anybody who is told you can pull this with a 2500 (F250 etc).



Thank you for this. We run a 2019 KZ Sportster 352th13 with our 2010 F250 diesel and havenít had opportunity to weigh in. Think we will be close with our street glide in the garage to this.

Sddamm 12-29-2018 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lonewolftx (Post 3865552)
I bet if you check your GVMR for the truck and then add the Raptor GVMR (note stickers on the truck & rig) you will find that your SRW truck is not rated for towing it safely by factory numbers. All tri-axel 5th wheels, i.e. large toy haulers, require a F350 Dually to meet the ďlegalĒ towing requirements. Please check your GVWR and see if this is correct.



Not sure if Iím right but I know ourKZ 352TH13 triaxle toyhauler has a GVWR of 15250lbs. That falls right under the F250 SRW diesel 15500ish lb rating that we use. It was the only manufacturer I found that does this. We donít have fancy marble counter tops but they nice enough for us.

slipp 12-29-2018 09:31 PM

Desert Fox 24AS
no toy
fully belly of water
4k onan in front
2 btteries
two dead propane tanks
40gal of fuel in the rear
bumper pull
2940 tongue weight
9500 trailer axle.

avvidclif 01-03-2019 06:22 PM

Here's what weights I have at the moment. I have scaled the front and rear on the truck and the HD Dyna was at home which will add abt 700 lbs somewhere. Also the water tank was empty which is another 700. I'm not close to being overloaded where-as the 2009 F350 SRW was overloaded. Same RV.


Steer Axle 4780
Drive Axle 7260
Trailer 11240
Gross 23280

txtinman 03-19-2019 12:34 PM

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Truck is a 2018 F350 DRW. Fiver is a 2018 Heartland RW426 toy hauler. At the time of weighing the truck had 48 gallons of diesel, a tool box of about 150 lbs and a Andersen hitch. The TH had a motorcycle of approximately 600 lbs, no fresh water, 20 gal of gas for the generator. My height was 1 inch higher at the rear a/c.

learntorv 03-19-2019 01:50 PM

First, if you haven't used it- the Weigh My Truck app is awesome. No more stretching to hit the call button. And no more running inside to get a weigh slip.

These weighings were of my 2017 Spartan 1245 pulled by a 2012 Ram 3500 dually (crew cab, long bed, 4x4, Laramie):

Truck and camper:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/859/4...9f200af18f.jpg


Truck-only:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/834/4...0f2cd2e323.jpg

It was full fuel as I generally fill up and eye/scope out the truck parking spots. If it looks easy, I'll decide to weigh that day. :D If parking the rig in a truck spot looks hard, we'll head on down the road!

According to TowingPlanner.com, here's how the numbers work out:

Gross Combined Weight
30,780

Truck Weight (hitched)
12,960

Truck Weight (truck only)
9,720

Camper Weight
21,080

Pin Weight
3,260

Pin Weight Percentage
15.5 %

At the time, I was over on the truck's GVWR, GCWR, and tow rating. I later upgraded to a 2018 Ram 3500 (same everything, just 6 years newer). I haven't re-weighed but according to the numbers above, I'd be below everything that I was over. I'll actually re-weigh in the next few weeks... once we stop at a truck stop that is fairly empty on a travel day!

Clomok 03-19-2019 07:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by learntorv (Post 4685292)
First, if you haven't used it- the Weigh My Truck app is awesome. No more stretching to hit the call button. And no more running inside to get a weigh slip.

These weighings were of my 2017 Spartan 1245 pulled by a 2012 Ram 3500 dually (crew cab, long bed, 4x4, Laramie):

its interesing the wight differnt in trucks, my 12 Ram CC DRW Laramie empty

Steer; 5000
Drive; 3800

1/2 tank of fuel, empty 100 gal aluminum diesel tank.

anyways reweighed the my 07 Ragen yesterday coming home from the shop on a ODOT

Truck is a 12 Ram CC DRW 4x4
Trialer is a 07 Rage'n 36-05 BH, when scaled, all tanks empty, 1/2 tank of gas, 4 GC2's in front storage(4' to the rear of stock location) minimal personal affects

Steer 5000
Drive 3800
Empty 8800

Loaded
Steer 5000
Drive 8100
3 axle grp 10800
Total 23900

trailer weight 15100
trailer pin 4300
pin % 28%


brochure says pin weight of 2490 and a UVAW of 7950...No wonder they got sued for misrepresenting weights...

learntorv 03-19-2019 08:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clomok (Post 4685749)
its interesing the wight differnt in trucks, my 12 Ram CC DRW Laramie empty

Steer; 5000
Drive; 3800

I should have better described it. Truck was far from empty. Me, wife, 2 kids, travel day activities, water, snacks, and whatnot in the truck. Truck bed is full on all sides around the hitch.

The attached pic is the new truck with heavier hitch AND the attached picture is missing the grill, propane fire pit, and few blocks of wood that go at the back of the truck bed.

drittal 04-03-2019 03:59 PM

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Cyclone 3611 JS

16,115 with empty tanks and partial camping gear, no toy on a 17,000lb GVWR.

Attachment 240587

Overweight with a tank of water. RZR 900 in the back and the trailer axle weight jumps to 14,820lbs on twin 7k axles...

Dfb 05-30-2019 08:40 AM

Thanks

fishnick2401 06-18-2019 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drittal (Post 4709368)
Cyclone 3611 JS

16,115 with empty tanks and partial camping gear, no toy on a 17,000lb GVWR.

Attachment 240587

Overweight with a tank of water. RZR 900 in the back and the trailer axle weight jumps to 14,820lbs on twin 7k axles...

Hi, do you know what your pin weight is and what is your tow vehicle? Just shopping around and was liking the cyclone 4113

avvidclif 07-21-2019 05:33 PM

Current weights.


Truck
FA 4800
RA 4240
GW 9040
65 Gal diesel


Total
FA 4820
RA 7700
RV 12660
GW 25180
35 gal diesel in TV

bike in garage, ~25gal gas, 25 gal water


When you subtract 250 lbs for diesel the pin weight is 3710 and 16320 actual with a GVWR of 15500 on the RV. 2 7k axles so none of the axles, truck or rv is over. If the water tank were full (add 75 gal.640 lbs) the rv would be ~1500 overweight but not over on any axles, rv or truck.

Scott-McC 09-10-2019 09:02 PM

Interesting and Helpful
 
[QUOTE=txtinman;4685217]Truck is a 2018 F350 DRW. Fiver is a 2018 Heartland RW426 toy hauler. At the time of weighing the truck had 48 gallons of diesel, a tool box of about 150 lbs and a Andersen hitch. The TH had a motorcycle of approximately 600 lbs, no fresh water, 20 gal of gas for the generator. My height was 1 inch higher at the rear a/c.[/QUOTE


Thanks for this post! It is probably the most detailed and informative I've seen so far.

I'm curious if anyone has compared weights of their Toy Haulers with toys in garage compared to without, everything else being equal and preferably loaded for travel. My initial (pre purchase) calculations lead me to believe that putting 2000 pounds of toys (two full size HD's) in the garage will actually decease the pin weight. Everything in front of the trailer axles will increase the pin weight. Based on a typical 40 5er TH, I'm figuring that the 2000 pounds in the garage could potentially take between 500 and 1000 pounds off the pin.

If I wasn't trying to fit a new Tow Vehicle in my garage, I'd just get a 3500 DRW. The 2019's and 2020's are very impressive. I know a lot of advice points away from SRW's, but if the real world weights don't exceed the real world capacities, I'm inclined to accept the downsides. I'm seriously considering a 2020 GMC 3500 SRW that might have about 4000 pounds payload capacity.

I appreciate any real world comparisons.

drittal 09-10-2019 09:04 PM

[QUOTE=Scott-McC;4950977]
Quote:

Originally Posted by txtinman (Post 4685217)
Truck is a 2018 F350 DRW. Fiver is a 2018 Heartland RW426 toy hauler. At the time of weighing the truck had 48 gallons of diesel, a tool box of about 150 lbs and a Andersen hitch. The TH had a motorcycle of approximately 600 lbs, no fresh water, 20 gal of gas for the generator. My height was 1 inch higher at the rear a/c.[/QUOTE


Thanks for this post! It is probably the most detailed and informative I've seen so far.

I'm curious if anyone has compared weights of their Toy Haulers with toys in garage compared to without, everything else being equal and preferably loaded for travel. My initial (pre purchase) calculations lead me to believe that putting 2000 pounds of toys (two full size HD's) in the garage will actually decease the pin weight. Everything in front of the trailer axles will increase the pin weight. Based on a typical 40 5er TH, I'm figuring that the 2000 pounds in the garage could potentially take between 500 and 1000 pounds off the pin.

If I wasn't trying to fit a new Tow Vehicle in my garage, I'd just get a 3500 DRW. The 2019's and 2020's are very impressive. I know a lot of advice points away from SRW's, but if the real world weights don't exceed the real world capacities, I'm inclined to accept the downsides. I'm seriously considering a 2020 GMC 3500 SRW that might have about 4000 pounds payload capacity.

I appreciate any real world comparisons.



1300lbs rzr 900 in cyclone 3611 takes 900lbs of the tongue and adds 2200 to the axles.

Scott-McC 09-13-2019 07:45 AM

More than I expected
 
[QUOTE=drittal;4950981]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott-McC (Post 4950977)



1300lbs rzr 900 in cyclone 3611 takes 900lbs of the tongue and adds 2200 to the axles.

Thanks for the response and information. That is more dramatic than I expected, but confirms the theory.

avvidclif 09-14-2019 04:32 AM

I would want to see the scale tickets for that. How does adding 1300 lbs increase it 2200???

drittal 09-14-2019 08:22 AM

Toyhauler Weights
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by avvidclif (Post 4955509)
I would want to see the scale tickets for that. How does adding 1300 lbs increase it 2200???



Adding 1300lbs in the garage puts that 1300 on the axles. Being that the garage is behind the axles that 1300lbs leverages 900lbs off the pin and on to the axles, increasing the weight on the axles a total of 2200lbs while the pin gets lighter by 900.

Empty: 16,155 Pin: 3785 Axles: 12379

RZR only: 17,505 Pin: 2685 Axles: 14820

Flyinace 09-24-2019 05:04 AM

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Cat scale weight for my setup...
2018 ram 3500 crew 4x4 6.4L hemi
2016 Stryker 2912
2018 can am x3 xrs

Me the wife ready for camping full tank of gas in truck and fuel station full

Truck 7560lbs
Truck and trailer 17840 lbs


Wags the tail worse than a happy dog

Clomok 09-24-2019 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyinace (Post 4969622)
Cat scale weight for my setup...
2018 ram 3500 crew 4x4 6.4L hemi
2016 Stryker 2912
2018 can am x3 xrs

Me the wife ready for camping full tank of gas in truck and fuel station full

Truck 7560lbs
Truck and trailer 17840 lbs


Wags the tail worse than a happy dog


Do you back the can am in or nose forward? Iíve seen a lot of guys have to back the cars in to get some tongue weight back

McRod 09-24-2019 02:09 PM

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You guys make me feel FAT!.

This 28k weigh is my standard full load, truck and trailer when going long distance... No toyhauler. We full-time. Overweight on the drive axle by 780lbs, but I was carrying an additional 105 gallons of diesel which weighs 745lbs.

When I want to bring my SxS (last pic), I triple tow an additional 3k. Obviously, GVW is overweight by 1k doing so.

The RV has 8k axles/suspension/disc brakes, if anyone is wondering.

2014 Ram 3500 DRW
2013 Montana Big Sky
2019 Prowler Pro

drittal 09-24-2019 05:42 PM

Toyhauler Weights
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyinace (Post 4969622)


Wags the tail worse than a happy dog



My parents had a 2912 and it was sway happy. Not enough tongue weight. Had to back the RZR 900 in almost to the cabinet by the door, across from the slide.

Flyinace 09-24-2019 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clomok (Post 4970197)
Do you back the can am in or nose forward? Iíve seen a lot of guys have to back the cars in to get some tongue weight back

I back it in as far as it can go..
I'm gonna try 20 bags of water softener salt for this weekend's trip loaded in the front compartment. If that work I can use the salt for my water softener and replace the salt bags with 10 bags of concrete ..

Flyinace 09-24-2019 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drittal (Post 4970470)
My parents had a 2912 and it was sway happy. Not enough tongue weight. Had to back the RZR 900 in almost to the cabinet by the door, across from the slide.

Exactly what I do.. 800+ lbs manufacturer tounge weight .. not nearly enough with 1700 lbs behind the axles .. engineering at it's finest :banghead:

drittal 09-25-2019 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyinace (Post 4970745)
Exactly what I do.. 800+ lbs manufacturer tounge weight .. not nearly enough with 1700 lbs behind the axles .. engineering at it's finest :banghead:



But hey! Itís half ton towable!!!

Flyinace 09-25-2019 07:15 AM

I towed it home with a 19' ram 1500 rebel... It can pull it but 40 miles was enough for me...

Flyinace 09-28-2019 07:55 AM

Update...
Added 750lbs to the front storage compartment.
The Stryker still swayed but alot better than before, at least it can be controlled now unlike before

Scott-McC 09-29-2019 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drittal (Post 4709368)
Cyclone 3611 JS

16,115 with empty tanks and partial camping gear, no toy on a 17,000lb GVWR.

Attachment 240587

Overweight with a tank of water. RZR 900 in the back and the trailer axle weight jumps to 14,820lbs on twin 7k axles...

This makes me scratch my head real hard! I don't even understand how this can be marketed as a "Toy Hauler", unless they have safety placards in the garage that limit the weight while towing to 500 pounds or less. My guess is that there are actually placards that say the garage has a "Capacity" of 2K or 3K which can be dangerously misleading because even your 1200 pound toy has put the whole thing over axle and gross limits.

Scott-McC 09-29-2019 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyinace (Post 4969622)
Cat scale weight for my setup...
2018 ram 3500 crew 4x4 6.4L hemi
2016 Stryker 2912
2018 can am x3 xrs

Me the wife ready for camping full tank of gas in truck and fuel station full

Truck 7560lbs
Truck and trailer 17840 lbs


Wags the tail worse than a happy dog


You've certainly got enough truck to tow this with plenty of weight up front to compensate for the weight in the garage. I'm curious, why aren't you towing a Fiver? I'm currently towing a Fury 2910 (Prime Time) behind a 2010 Tundra with tow package, and often load up two full dresser Harley's. I'm extremely familiar with the tail wagging the dog. I'm challenged with balancing the amount of total load in the camper to keep it under gross and within the TV capacity while still keeping the tail under control. I'm looking to upgrade the TV and TH to keep it all more "under control".

drittal 09-29-2019 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott-McC (Post 4977059)
This makes me scratch my head real hard! I don't even understand how this can be marketed as a "Toy Hauler", unless they have safety placards in the garage that limit the weight while towing to 500 pounds or less. My guess is that there are actually placards that say the garage has a "Capacity" of 2K or 3K which can be dangerously misleading because even your 1200 pound toy has put the whole thing over axle and gross limits.



If you ask the Cyclone Forum they can because not everybody uses a toy hauler to haul toys. The garage is is rated for 2500lbs. Too bad the RV canít come close to handling it.

Flyinace 09-30-2019 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott-McC (Post 4977071)
You've certainly got enough truck to tow this with plenty of weight up front to compensate for the weight in the garage. I'm curious, why aren't you towing a Fiver? I'm currently towing a Fury 2910 (Prime Time) behind a 2010 Tundra with tow package, and often load up two full dresser Harley's. I'm extremely familiar with the tail wagging the dog. I'm challenged with balancing the amount of total load in the camper to keep it under gross and within the TV capacity while still keeping the tail under control. I'm looking to upgrade the TV and TH to keep it all more "under control".


I originally had a 2019 ram 1500 and bought the trailer thinking it was half ton towable.. my first ever trailer and not doing enough research. I will be looking in to fiver in a year or so... I will be doing my research before I trade up..
I'm over on my gross even before I loaded up the front.. with all tanks empty except the fuel station..

chulavista 11-01-2019 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by McRod (Post 4970242)
You guys make me feel FAT!.

This 28k weigh is my standard full load, truck and trailer when going long distance... No toyhauler. We full-time. Overweight on the drive axle by 780lbs, but I was carrying an additional 105 gallons of diesel which weighs 745lbs.

When I want to bring my SxS (last pic), I triple tow an additional 3k. Obviously, GVW is overweight by 1k doing so.

The RV has 8k axles/suspension/disc brakes, if anyone is wondering.

2014 Ram 3500 DRW
2013 Montana Big Sky
2019 Prowler Pro

McRod, I have questions for you - how long is your SXS trailer and your RV? My husband wants to do this rather than buy a toy hauler due to the weight of our toy. Having a heck of a time coming up with a toy hauler that will actually handle the weight of our toy and all the junk we haul so we thought we might do this instead.

Roadglide54 12-16-2019 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Vette Racer (Post 53498)
I'll start this off with mine.

I have a 2003 SLC 3705 and I weighed mine both empty (or so) and loaded. With it empty but carrying full propane, empty tanks, a few things underneath, two 12 volt batteries, and I have the fiberglass siding, it weighed 8500 on the axles with a pin of 3400 lbs. With tanks 1/2 full of water and loaded for the road with 97 TJ Jeep inside, axle weight is 12,500 with a pin weight of 3250.

Thats about as close as we can get. What do you have for yours? I know this isn't perfect but we can give everyone a close idea of what to expect for their toyhauler, or perspective toyhauler.

How many axles are on your toyhualer? That weight seems to be more real then some I have read . I have 311 impact with two 7 K axles that is over loaded with 800 z force and roadglide ultra . I let the scissors Jack down when uploading my toys with them out. the jacks are off the ground .

McRod 01-21-2020 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chulavista (Post 5021170)
McRod, I have questions for you - how long is your SXS trailer and your RV? My husband wants to do this rather than buy a toy hauler due to the weight of our toy. Having a heck of a time coming up with a toy hauler that will actually handle the weight of our toy and all the junk we haul so we thought we might do this instead.

The SxS is 12ft tongue included.
The RV is 40 ft.

Those two together are 52 ft, which the standard length for semi trailers.

The truck is 22 ft and the 5vr has a 5ft overhang on the truck bed.

Total length is 70 ft.

You will need to use an app like All States, to check legal lengths when pulling in this configuration. Some states max triple tow length is 65 ft.

chulavista 01-22-2020 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by McRod (Post 5118349)
The SxS is 12ft tongue included.
The RV is 40 ft.

Those two together are 52 ft, which the standard length for semi trailers.

The truck is 22 ft and the 5vr has a 5ft overhang on the truck bed.

Total length is 70 ft.

You will need to use an app like All States, to check legal lengths when pulling in this configuration. Some states max triple tow length is 65 ft.

Thank you for the reply! I'm from AZ, max in AZ is 65'.


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